2010 IRA conversion and impact on old 401k

I have a client who exceeded the MAGI requirements to contribute to a Roth IRA for the last few years.
I have had the client contribute to a non-deductible IRA with the idea of converting in 2010 with little or now no gain.

The client will quit his current job at the end of this year.

If we do the conversion, will the old 401k value need to be part of the calculation?
My understanding is that only IRA money would be part of the calculation.

Is there any issues with converting the IRA to a Roth in January of 2010 and then subsequently rolling over his 401k into an IRA in February after the conversion is done?
The client does not want to have to pay any additional tax over the amount we discussed based on the contributions in the non-deductible IRA.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Best,
Bob



Bob,
Only the IRA would be part of the calculation, but if the 401k was rolled into an IRA before the end of 2010, it would then be IRA money and would be included in the pro rate factor. Since most 401k assets are pre tax, the added value would dilute the ratio of basis to total and make the 2010 conversion mostly taxable. Therefore, the 401k rollover would have to wait until 2011, but would then affect the pro rating for every year thereafter. As long as the 401k plan is kept with the employer, it does not affect the IRA conversion taxable calculation.

There are a few potential options:
1) Leave the 401k where it is for awhile, at least until 2011 after the 2010 conversion and 12/31/2010 8606 calculation is complete.
2) If client gets a new job, determine if the new plan will accept a direct rollover from the old plan. This will keep the money out of the IRA for an extended period.
3) If client does roll the money to an IRA, it should be kept in a conduit or “Rollover” IRA that might be able to be rolled over to a future employer plan. IRA pre tax dollars that are rolled into a current employer plan will not be included in the year end IRA balance and therefore kept out of the pro rate calculation.
4) If the client has after tax dollars in the 401k, wait a few months for the IRS to clarify if those dollars can be rolled directly to a Roth IRA without going through a TIRA or Form 8606. But the pre tax dollars would still have to go to a TIRA and those would dilute future IRA conversion calculations.



Alan,

Thanks for your very thorough response.
You confirmed my suspicion about an issue existing with rolling over the 401k in 2010.

Best,
Bob



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