Roth Conversion – Taxes Withheld
Did a Roth Conversion and missed the part on the conversion form that asked for no taxes to be withheld – the default then was 10% taxes withheld. The client is under age 59.5 – yet the distribution code on the 1099R says 2 (exception applies) – on the instructions for 1099R (page 11) it says to code distributions under age 59.5 where it was part of a Roth Conversion.
My question is – does the box 7 code 2 only apply to the actual distribution?
Is the amount of $ that was withheld for Federal taxes looked at as a separate distribution and hit with the 10% penalty?
thanks
Permalink Submitted by Alan Spross on Fri, 2010-03-12 23:24
Good question.
Yes, the code 2 automatically means that the withholding is subject to penalty. Had the conversion been made after age 59.5, the code would have been 7 and no penalty would apply to the withholding.
The rationale must be that there is no need to issue a separate 1099R for the withholding because it is obvious where it went and the Box 7 code will also indicate whether the taxpayer was 59.5 or not. If two conversions were done in the same year, one before 59.5 and one after, then there would have to be two 1099R forms coded 2 and 7. The withholding on the 2 code would be penalized and the withholding with the 7 code would not. And the funds cannot be used for another purpose subject to penalty waiver if they in fact went to the IRS.
I guess the IRS decided not to explain this in the 1099R Inst., but they could have footnoted it along with the Box 4 Inst. An explanation might be located somewhere else in the 1099R Inst, perhaps in the 1099R Gen Inst., but I only looked in the 1099R Inst.
The client could have made up withheld amount within 60 days of the distribution, and that would have completed the conversion and eliminated the penalty.
Permalink Submitted by [email protected] on Fri, 2016-06-10 18:26
Alan, please explain what the client needs to do in this case to “complete teh conversion and eliminate the penalty”. Do they simply add a withheld equivalent amount to the Roth? Do they somehow need to indicate this is an indirect conversion/rollover vs contribution? How is that handled? Thanks – m
Permalink Submitted by Alan - IRA critic on Fri, 2016-06-10 20:25
Permalink Submitted by [email protected] on Fri, 2016-06-10 20:42
Awesome, thanks.
Permalink Submitted by David Mertz on Fri, 2016-06-10 23:20
It’s generally improper to report the withholding on the same a code 2 Form 1099-R that reports the Roth conversion. Unless the payer knows that some other exception applies, the amount withheld for taxes is not an amount known by the payer to have been converted to Roth and should be reported on a separate code 1 Form 1099-R.
Permalink Submitted by Alan - IRA critic on Fri, 2016-06-10 23:26
Perhaps they should, but I have never seen a case where they did. For Box 7 purposes, they ignore withholding.