re: RMD from deceased profit-sharing plan participant/S-Corp owner
HH fully owned an S-Corp for many years.
The company had a Profit-Sharing Plan that contained only Employer contributions. No ER contributions have been made in years.
There was one brokerage account for the PSP and the Third Party Administrator provided annual account balances to each participant, using the balance as of Sept 30th (corporate fiscal year end).
HH – DOB: 8/6/1942 age 70.5 = 2/6/2013 Even though still working in 2013, HH took his first RMD in FEB 2013 (100% owner)
HH’s wife – DOB: 8/15/1943 age 70.5 = 2/15/2014 The wife has a small balance in the PSP and is the major beneficiary of HH’s PSP account
HH gifted all of the S-Corp non-voting shares (99% of the shares) to his two adult children in August 2013 (49.5% to each child) and retained 1% (all of the voting shares)
HH dies 10/10/2014
The remaining 1% of the S-Corp moves from HH’s trust to his daughter’s Family Trust at HH’s death. Daughter/Daughter’s trust now owns 50.5% of the shares. She is now President of the S-Corp.
Daughter initiates paperwork to terminate and distribute the PSP. Checks were delivered Thursday (3/13/14) to the participants.
Daughter deposited her PSP check into her IRA.
HH’s wife deposits her PSP check into her IRA, and also deposits her beneficiary check into the same account. Wife worked for the company as an employee up until Nov 2013. At that point, her salary was discontinued. HH’s wife has continued to be paid as an officer since NOV 2013.
Questions:
1) Should an RMD be distributed for YR 2014 based on the PSP balance for the deceased HH (the funds were still in the PSP 12/31/13)?
If yes:
• Can we take it from the HH’s wife’s IRA?
• Should it be based on the 12/31/13 PSP balance (which included two charities as partial beneficiaries)?
2) Should an RMD be distributed for YR 2014 for HH’s wife’s PSP balance?
Thanks in advance,
Chris
Permalink Submitted by Alan - IRA critic on Tue, 2014-03-25 23:50
Chris, I assume his DOD was 10/10/2013. There is a plan 2014 RMD based on wife’s inherited portion only that should not have been rolled over. That amount must be now be taken out of her IRA ASAP. There is also an RMD on the charitable portion of the PSP, but that RMD will be satisfied if the charities are paid off in 2014. Q 2 – Yes, the wife’s own share of the PSP is subject to 2014 RMD payment upon distribution of her balance and likewise this RMD should not have been rolled over to the IRA and needs to be distributed back out of the IRA ASAP. She probably should take separate distributions from the IRA, one for each RMD interest that was rolled over.