Simple IRA change?

Hello,

A client maintains both personal IRAs (Roth and Roth Conversions) and a business IRA (Simple IRA – all Traditional $). Commencing next year, his business is adopting a 401(k)/Profit Sharing Plan in order to (a) make greater combined contributions relative to the Simple IRA as well as (b) designate up to $18k in elective employee deferrals as Roth/after-tax $, if desired. The Simple IRA is being terminated at the conclusion of this year.

In terms of the Simple IRA, is there any benefit to transferring this via direct rollover (trustee-to-trustee) into the 401(k)/Profit Sharing Plan or into a Traditional IRA? Assume the investments available are identical as they’re maintained at the same custodian – so that isn’t an issue (neither are fees for that matter). Since it’s a Simple IRA, whether it’s (a) maintained as-is, (b) rolled into the 401(k)/Profit Sharing Plan or (c) rolled into a Traditional IRA, I want to confirm it would be fully protected from creditors regardless of the amount (no creditor issue; however, just viewing differences from a planning perspective).

The client is relatively young (in his late 30s). If transferred into the new 401(k)/Profit Sharing Plan, when he turns 59 1/2 if he wanted he could do an in-service distribution of the pre-tax monies and, if he wanted to perform a Roth conversion, the Simple IRA (or if it were transferred into a Rollover IRA) would not be considered since the funds would be in the 401(k)/Profit Sharing Plan – although this is a long time out.

Please advise regarding the potential pros/cons principally from an asset protection perspective regarding whether to keep the Simple IRA as-is, versus rolling it over, trustee-to-trustee, either into the 401(k)/Profit Sharing Plan or else a Rollover IRA. The client would not wish to perform a Roth conversion of any of the Simple IRA $ at the present time. Thank you.

Jason



  1. If the SIMPLE IRA was left intact, it would have unlimited creditor protection in states that provide full IRA protection. In other states that are subject to the federal bankruptcy Act of 2005, a SIMPLE IRA has unlimited dollar protection, but only when BK is filed in the federal court system. If the SIMPLE IRA was rolled to a TIRA, the unlimited dollar protection under BK would be reduced to 1.245 mm for all IRAs. If instead it was rolled into the 401k, it would have unlimited protection from creditors under ERISA. In all cases funds are subject to claims from the IRS or marital settlements. Therefore, the current question is what state does he reside it, and/or what other states might he eventually re locate to?
  2. Note that if the SIMPLE IRA is maintained, his ability to do a back door Roth contribution would be compromised because the conversion would be subject to pro rated taxable amount per Form 8606 which will include the SIMPLE balance.


Hi Alan,The client resides in NJ – which is not a state that offers full IRA protection to my understanding.  He does not plan on changing resident states.Per the fact pattern and your response, it appears transferring the Simple IRA into the 401k/Profiit Sharing Plan would be the #1 choice, followed by maintaining the Simple IRA.  It doesn’t appear as if there is really any difference provided the client does not intend to do a Roth IRA conversion; however, please let me know if you believe otherwise.Thanks. 





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