IRA to Roth Conversion – Income period

My Wife and I are 68 & retired and basically only have SS income to report.
Our Schedule A deductions are higher than the standard but even with the standard deduction we end up with $0 tax due. Also Arizona doesn’t tax SS income. We haven’t paid Fed or State taxes in years.

This year I installed a solar system at our home. I did almost all of the work and paid cash for all the components and subcontracting. It only cost me about 10k instead of the 24k estimates I got from installers. 🙂 (also I didn’t count any of my labor in the cost- as I know that is a no-no)
The tax credits I can get are $1000- AZ and 30% Fed which amounts to about $3000 ($4000 combined)

Since I don’t have any tax liability, how can I use the solar tax credits for 2017 taxes?
I know i I can roll them forward for a few years but may not have taxable income for a couple years- eating up the deferral time and would like to get started now.

One idea I have is that if I withdraw money from the IRA, or move some into my Roth IRA, that will count as additional income and will generate a tax due – I’m pretty sure I can then use the tax credit to offset that tax due and get use of the money “tax free”. correct?

I opened a regular IRA back when they came out in the 70’s and contributed to it over 40 years including rolling various employer 401k’s into it when I changed jobs. I also opened a Roth IRA in 2006 so it is over the 5 yr mark. The ast 401k I rolled over into the IRA was in 2009.

Using this years HRBlock tax program I did some what-if’s and came up with one plan where I could withdraw upto 18500 from the IRA before any fed tax would be due but that only used 300 of the 3000 credit. I would be still be fine with AZ but I can’t do that this year because it has to be claimed as income in the year taken and Dec31 is past.

The next option is to convert $6500 from my IRA to the Roth before April 15 this year (trustee to trustee or do I take distribution & redeposit), objective is to count it as income for 2017 if possible (this is the main question) .

Then later this year, for TY 2018 again move $6500 from IRA to Roth and withdraw $12000 cash, then use the rolled forward tax credits to offset that income. Continue this plan until credits are used up or run out and at the same time reduce the $ amount in the trad. IRA to reduce the required Min. Dist. when I turn 70.5 in 2 years. Leave the Roth intact for later needs.

So my questions are…
Will this plan work?
Can I (& How) move $ from IRA to Roth in 2018 and claim it as 2017 income?

Any other known ways to use the solar tax credit?

thanks for your advice
Al



  • A conversion only produces taxable income in the year of the conversion distribution. Therefore, the only way you could produce a 2017 conversion NOW would be if you made a withdrawal from your TIRA between 12/11 and 12/31/17 that you have not rolled over. If you completed a rollover to a Roth within 60 days of this money it would count as a 2017 conversion. Obviously, you probably did not take such a distribution, so likely no way to produce 2017 taxable income now.
  • You could do a conversion in 2018 of any amount you wanted. You are not limited to the 6500 limit for regular IRA contributions. Therefore, if 18k is the amount of additional taxable income needed to apply the credit, just convert the full 18k.
  • Be sure you know how the credit can be applied before converting because you can no longer recharacterize any part of a 2018 conversion like you could do before 2018. A 2018 conversion can be done anytime between now and 12/31/2018. If you do it, be sure to decline all withholding from the distribution.
  • Unless you have significant income coming during the carryover period that you want to use the credit to reduce, you should probably convert enough to apply the full credit do in 2018.
  • Just looked at the AZ Pub for the Solar Credit – you have a 5 year carryover period. 

Thank you, I appreciate the timly answer and detailed info.I had a passing “I should do a year-end tax review ” thought back in Dec but there were other pressing concerns that distracted me and now it’s too late.  I guess i got withdrawals mixed up with the deadline for contributions…  I will try and get it done for 2018 asap once i triple check my facts.

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