Please Help!! Converting IRA Annuity to Roth IRA

When a Traditional IRA Annuity is (simply) converted to a Roth IRA (and the Annuity retains its Contract Number and Terms), is the conversion considered a surrender? and/or does the (positive) Market Value Adjustment get factored into the Taxable Amount that then appears on Form 1099-R? And, if the MVA does get factored in, does the (6%) Surrender Charge also get factored in?

My Financial Consultant, my Accountant, and I all say “No, if an Annuity retains its Contract Number and Terms, converting the Annuity to a Roth does not mean that it has been surrendered – so the Taxable Amount that appears on Form 1099-R will simply be the Account Value / Accumulated Value / Conversion Amount – and there will be no involvement of an MVA because there was no surrender.” (The Contract has never been annuitized.) And the Insurance Company itself (at first – and IN WRITING) had agreed.

But eight months later, the Insurance Company (now) is saying “Yes, the conversion is considered a surrender and so the MVA – although not the Surrender Charge – is activated” and “we apologize for any inconvenience” caused by the “misinformation” we had earlier provided you. The Taxable Amount that the Insurance Company is reporting on Form 1099-R is therefore $185,000 MORE than they had originally “confirmed” (again, in writing) last April 2010 at the time of the (simple) conversion. Please help!!! Any suggestions/advice would be deeply, deeply appreciated.



Why didn’t the financial consultand and the accountant check with the lawyer?

The IRS issued regulations on this in 2008: http://benefitslink.com/taxregs/td9418.pdf

Some annuities have riders that provide certain guarantees. The value of these guarantees is taken into account in valuing the annuity for purposes of the Roth conversion.

It might be worth checking to see whether it’s possible recharacterize the Roth conversion, then cash in the annuity, and then (after waiting the necessary period) convert again.



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