Two rollovers within a 12-month period

I wrote in about two months ago about my IRA dilemma. I did two IRA rollovers within a 12-month period from the same traditional IRA account. My efforts with the banks and brokerage firm involved have not yielded any solutions. At this point I am facing withdrawing the funds from the smaller of the two accounts and paying taxes on it before October 2014.

It occurred to me that perhaps I could do a Roth conversion on the funds in the second rollover account (which is the smaller one). That would still have me paying taxes on it, but I would gain a Roth account, rather than moving the funds to a taxable account.

I have been through IRS publications 17 and 590. They clearly explain that more than one rollover is not allowed, but do not define what the incorrectly placed funds are called or what must be done with them. For the 60-day rule, that information is provided. There is no statement that a Roth conversion is allowed in this situation, but neither is it forbidden.

I will be getting a single 1099-R from the brokerage house that did the two rollovers. If I do a Roth conversion with this second rollover, then the funds on the 1099-R from the first rollover would still be legitimate, with no tax due. Funds for the second rollover would be treated as a Roth conversion, and taxes would have to be paid. The receiving bank on the second rollover presumably will issue a 5498. But, that traditional IRA account would no longer exist, and all funds rolled out of the IRA account would be accounted for on my tax return, and taxes due would have been paid.

The bank that accepted the second rollover will allow me to do a Roth conversion. I would do it as a same-trustee transfer. It seems like this might be a risk worth taking if I could be reasonably sure that should the IRS not allow it at a later date, that I would NOT be charged the 6% per year penalty (I would have already paid the taxes due and at the right time). I would also worry about being taxed twice if the IRS made me correct it, once for the incorrect IRA rollover, and once for the Roth conversion of that rollover. Still, it seems like the IRS would not apply taxes twice to the same IRA money.

Is this viable? Any thoughts on whether this approach would be satisfactory to the IRS? This seems to be the only possible option left to me.

Thanks again for your help.



  • Doing a Roth conversion is actually a valid work around if you happen to have taken two distributions, but this only works if you are still within 60 days of the distribution and still have the funds sitting in a taxable account. If you already did the rollovers to a TIRA, then it’s too late to use the conversion as a work around because you first rolled the amount over to a TIRA. A conversion at this point would be a 3rd distribution.
  • Another way of looking at this is through your 1099R forms. You will get a 1099R for the total amount from IRA #1 and you will also get a 1099R from IRA #2 for your conversion to a Roth IRA. IRA #2 will also issue a 5498 indicating receipt of the rollovers from IRA 1. It will be clear to the IRS that IRA 2 received all the funds before some of them were then converted in a later transaction.


Not what I wanted to hear, but your explanation makes sense to me.  What an illogical overly-punitive rule this is.  Thanks again for your help.



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