Roth conversion using a Vanguard GLWB account
Does this Roth conversion strategy work: I am 65 and will retire in a few months. I roll over $100,000 from my 401(k) to a Vanguard variable annuity with a so-called “Guaranteed Lifetime Withdrawal Benefit,” also known as a “GLWB.” (If you don’t know what this is, see https://personal.vanguard.com/us/whatweoffer/annuities/guaranteed-lifetime-withdrawal-benefit .)
When I retire in a few months, I begin taking annual guaranteed distributions at 5%–that is, $5,000 per year. The GLWB rider on the Vanguard account guarantees me that I will receive a minimum annual amount of $5,000 for the rest of my life, although annual distributions possibly could increase if the value of the Vanguard portfolio rises above $100,000. Assume, however, that the portfolio goes the other way and drops to, say, $10,000 in a couple of years. Under the GLWB guarantee I would still be entitled to receive annual distributions of $5,000 because the guaranteed distribution is keyed off the $100,000 amount that I initially invested and is not reduced if the portfolio value drops (even if the portfolio drops to zero!). Lastly, assume that when my Vanguard portfolio has dropped to a value of $10,000 I decide at that time to convert the account from a traditional rollover IRA to a Roth IRA.
Here’s my question: In this scenario do I have only $10,000 of taxable income to report as a result of the Roth conversion, even though I’m still entitled to receive (and in fact am receiving)annual distributions of $5,000? If this strategy works, it would mean that the $5,000 annual distributions to me would be tax free forever and (on these assumptions) at a tax cost of including only $10,000 in my taxable income as a result of the Roth conversion.
Permalink Submitted by Alan - IRA critic on Mon, 2014-06-09 23:50
Vanguard will have to provide you with an actuarially calculated amount which will show up on your conversion 1099R if you convert. It will be far more than 10k or any surrender value. http://www.investopedia.com/articles/retirement/10/rules-converting-ira-annuity-to-roth.asp