Inherited IRA Help

In Summer of 2013, my wife’s mother passed away. My wife was the beneficiary of her mother’s TIRA with my 2 adult daughters as contingent beneficiaries. My wife decided to disclaim the IRA, so the IRA would be split between daughters. The bank that was custodian of her mother’s IRA provided form to disclaim, and forms each daughter to fill out to identify custodian and account for their Inherited IRA. Forms were returned to bank and we awaited further instruction. Instead, with no further communication, the bank sent 2 checks directly to the daughters’ custodian. However, daughters had not yet had time to set up an IRA account at their new custodian (they already had checking and savings accounts there). When the checks arrived at the new custodian (a regional FCU), the clerk who processed the checks couldn’t find an IRA for the deposit, so the clerk deposited both checks into my youngest daughters checking account. My daughter did not discover this until a week or so later when she called me to ask why her checking suddenly had ~$60K deposited to it. I realized from the amount what had happened and we immediately contacted the new custodian. This resulted in a meeting with the resident IRA ‘expert’ at the new custodian. The ‘expert’ was in disbelief that they would have done such a thing, but she pulled up electronic photocopies of the checks that were deposited, and the photocopies showed that the checks were made out “[Wife Mother’s Name](deceased) FBO [My Daughter’s Name]” and included daughter account number. One check for each daughter. ‘Expert’ admitted they had deposited checks to wrong account in error, but said it could be fixed. Each daughter needed to open an IRA. Then the ‘expert’ would then transfer the correct amount from youngest daughter’s checking to each IRA. [‘Expert’ couldn’t roll back and re-deposit the checks as checks had already cleared during time it took us to discover error.] During this process, we repeatedly asked if the new IRAs were appropriately titled as Inherited IRA. ‘Expert’ said that it would show up as an IRA in their account, but that their system would ‘know’ that it was an inherited IRA. We left the meeting with belief that everything was as it should be.

I tell that story to bring us to the present day. Late last year, I reminded my daughters that they needed to take a RMD from the IRA in order to preserve their right to stretch the IRA over their lifetime. They each took a RMD prior to end of 2014. Two weeks ago, my youngest daughter asked for help with preparing her income taxes because the tax software was telling her that she owed a penalty for early withdrawal from the IRA. I told her that was wrong, no penalty for distribution from Inherited IRA. However, when I look at the 1099-R she received as a result of the RMD from the IRA, I see it shows a “1” in Box 7 instead of a “4”. I figure the FCU has incorrectly coded the 1099-R and tell her she needs to go to local branch and ask them to issue her a corrected 1099-R. She went today and I went with her as had some business in the area. The conversation with the FCU CSR did not go well. The CSR understood Inherited IRAs and agreed that 1099-R was incorrectly coded for distribution from an Inherited IRA. However, she could not find an Inherited IRA in my daughters account, only a TIRA. We told her that was incorrect, that the only IRA my daughter had was the one created as beneficiary of her grandmother’s account. The CSR said she would need to consult with FCU IRA expert and would call us back later in the day. My daughter got the call and the FCU states that they have no record of daughter opening an Inherited IRA. Their system shows that she only has a TIRA in her name as owner and thus the 1099-R cannot be corrected.

It is apparent 1.5 years later that the IRA was not set up correctly in their system even though at the time we repeatedly stated that the IRAs needed to be appropriately titled as Inherited IRAs (same titling as on checks from original custodian). We are in process of scheduling meeting with newest IRA ‘expert’ (the old one retired) to try to get this resolved. I’m not optimistic this will go well.

At meeting with IRA ‘expert’, we plan to ask that they retrieve the photocopies of the original checks to prove that the IRAs should have been set up as Inherited IRAs. We don’t have copies of checks as they were trustee-to-trustee. I did see the electronic photocopies at the 2013 meeting, but regretfully did not ask for copies for ourselves. I fear that because of their original error, FCU may take position that these checks were never deposited into IRA, that IRAs were funded from youngest daughter’s checking account. The only records that my daughters have from setting up the IRAs is a standard form for opening an IRA (Name, Address, SSN, etc.) and a beneficiary designation form. Neither form indicates type of IRA.

Now for my questions for this forum:
I’m not sure that this is a problem that can be fixed by ‘re-titling’ the IRA as apparently the IRA was never set up as Inherited IRA initially. I’m concerned that the IRS might consider money was deposited into daughter’s own IRA accounts even though they never had an IRA until one was created to receive funds as beneficiary of grandmother’s account. Is this a valid concern? If so, what are tax consequences?

Can daughters file Form 5329 with tax return to take exception to incorrect coding of 1099-R issued by FCU?

If audited by IRS, are records from original custodian sufficient to show that no early withdrawal penalty should be assessed due to death of original owner, with daughters as beneficiaries?

What have I not thought of?



  • If the amount is significant enough, you might want to retain legal representation to deal with this FCU. Meanwhile, this link contains the thoughts of recognized retirement plans expert Denise Appleby on this subject:  http://retirementdictionary.com/faqs/decedentsnameinheritedira
  • The FCU needs to establish the inherited IRAs and hard code them as such so that all future distributions are coded 4. I don’t think the IRS work around would be productive, and this would keeping poping up. The FCU needs to get this right and issue corrected 1099R forms.


For what it’s worth, I worked at a fairly decent sized bank ($50B) and their platform didn’t have any difference in coding for an IRA/Roth or an Inherited IRA/Roth.  The distinction had to be made in the vesting, which would be documented on the IRA application and on the host platform.  We occasionally ran into issues when a distribution form was received that had been marked with the wrong distribution reason by the client (Normal instead of Decedent/Inherited) and due to the volume of transactions processed daily we may not know about the error until the client came back with the “incorrectly” coded 1099-R.  If the core platform had separate coding for inherited IRA/Roth accounts this could easily be prevented by locking down the allowable distribution codes by account type, but that option wasn’t available to us.  I made it a point to be exceedingly accomodating in these situations since within the parties involved (the clients, front line staff that collected the IRA Distribution form, and the Retirement Services Group) we were the only ones expected to have the level of IRA expertise to understand the nuiances of distinguishing between a normal distribution and a decedent/inherited distribution and how that should be reflected on the 1099-R.  Assuming that their “IRA Expert” may not really have a level of comprehension regarding these matters that would truly make them an expert, your best course of action may be to ask the “expert” to hear you out in full (with as little harshness in the delivery as possible, even though circumstances make it perfectly reasonable for you to be upset and want to give someone a piece of your mind) and lay out to them the whole picture rather than making them try to piece together what may have happened prior to their being employed at the credit union.  It may be that they truly can’t code the accounts differently, but then they should take measures to somehow distinguish an inherited IRA from a regular IRA (such as clear vesting differences).  When requesting future distributions care should be taken to make it overly obvious that the distribution should be coded as a distribution to a beneficiary.  Write it on the margins of the distribution from if you have to, although I’m certain there is a box specifically for beneficiary distributions on their forms.  They can fix this, they just may not know how.  If you want to be certain that the mistakes that have occured to date do not cost the daughters the ability to maintain inherited IRAs you can do as Alan suggested and obtain legal representation or apply for a written determination from the IRS.



Thanks for your help. Working with a couple of representatives of the FCU, we were able to get the situation resolved. The process of resolution was very similar to what Denise Appleby outlined. In fact, I forwarded the link to the CSR and proposed using it as a path forward. I then provided documentation that showed that the assets were appropriately transferred from the decedent’s IRA. Using this information, they added a note to the accounts that indicated that the IRA was inherited and all distributions should be coded as a “4”. For reasons unknown, this note was never added to the accounts when they were orignially set up. The FCU is sending corrected 1099-R to daughters. As urusei2 suggested, the platform used by the FCU doesn’t allow them to code accounts to distinquish TIRA from Inherited IRA. It’s an entirely manual process. I’ve informed my daughters that for all future distributions make sure the distribution code is correct before completing the transaction.



That is good to hear!



As a side note, it is often a good idea to request disbursement checks on a direct rollover to be mailed to the account holder instead of the successor trustee.  Of course the checks are payable to the successor trustee, f/b/o the account holder, so the account holder cannot receive the funds.  This way, it becomes possible to confirm that the checks are made out correctly, and copies can be made before delivering the checks to the successor trustee.  Some institutions will mail the checks to the account holder as their standard operating procedure.  In other cases they will do it upon request.  Rarely, I have experienced an institution who will claim, incorectly, that mailing the check to the account holder will cause the rollover to become an indirect (60 day) rollover instead of a direct rollover.  In such cases, if they cannot be convinced, it might be necessary to allow them to do their thing and mail the checks directly.



In this instance they were dealing with a Traditional IRA, therefore the only option for the non-spouse beneficiary to move the funds to an inherited IRA at another FI was a transfer (often referred to as a “trustee to trustee transfer”).  Direct Rollovers are only an option when funds are moved from an 401K or other employer sponsored qualified retirement plan to an IRA.  In almost all instances of a Direct Rollover the plan administrator will send the direct rollover check to the individual rather than the accepting IRA custodian.  This is much less likely to occurr when dealing with an IRA to IRA Transfer, but it could be requested.



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