ROTH Rollover strategy

So I just came from a seminar from a major player in the industry. They discussed a ROTH strategy where an employee would max out his 401k plan contributions, (I am talking above his deductible $19,000 or $25k for 50 and over) and take that after tax contribution up to the $55k max and ROLL that money into a ROTH IRA. So he would take the $36k of after tax non deductible contribution and move it into a ROTH each year. He claims he has done it for the last 5 years. Assuming the plan allows in plan rollovers, is this a legit move. (this company says it has been legit since 2006) I have read all of Ed’s books and also subscribed to the SAVVY IRA planning program and I did not read anything on this strategy. Is it all on the up and up? It would seem like a great way for wealthy people to get money into a ROTH who were above the income thresh holds and wanted to do more than the puny $6500 back door idea.

Thanks for your help in confirming or disputing this strategy.



  • Yes, this is certainly allowable. It has been dubbed a “mega back door Roth” as popular lingo. Until 2010, there was a 100,000 income limit to do this, so upper income taxpayers were not able to use this until 2010. There are some other hurdles, for example many employer plans do not allow non Roth after tax contributions and som that do do not allow your total to get too close to the 56,000 total contributions limit because matching contributions, forfeitures or ACP discrimination testing can result in exceeding the limit and the plan would have to return your money. This is a pain if you have already converted to a Roth IRA because you would then have an excess Roth IRA contribution to correct.
  • So perhaps your plan will limit your after tax contributions to less than the 36,000 you referred to. In addition, some plans do not allow you to distribute out to a Roth IRA and instead require you to do an in plan Roth rollover (IRR) to the plan Roth 401k account. And some plans limit the frequency of these rollovers. For example, if your plan only allowed one rollover (to either a Roth IRA or an IRR) per year, you might have a 10% gain on your contributions and rolling the total to a Roth account would result in those gains being subject to taxes. 
  • But it still is a great deal if you have the money to make the after tax contributions. You just have to work around any plan limitations your plan might have. You can also do both the regular back door Roth and a mega back door in the same year if you wish. One does not affect the other in any way.

Wow, well that is interesting and good to know. Thanks for the answer and good news.

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