Can I “consume” an excess Roth contribution by simply distributing the amount of the contribution in a subsequent year?

I am “early retired” for 2020, and will be making a very large Roth contribution (evidently, there is no limit to how much can be contributed, only that it be documented as an excess contribution) to take advantage of extraordinarily low valuations in Emerging Markets due to COVID.

AIUI, I can apply unused ability to contribute to an IRA in subsequent years to knock this excess contribution (which continues indefinitely) down. But it seems that I can also knock it down by simply taking a Roth distribution (which is painless since I have the Roth contribution basis from the excess contribution itself). Now, if I wanted to have this excess contribution “consumed” in the same year of the excess contribution, I would need to take a distribution of both the contribution and any earnings (such as what would be done in a recharacterization of a Roth conversion, back when that was available). But it seems that this rule does not apply when “consuming” the excess contribution in a subsequent year, in that the nominal amount of the distribution – and not simply the contribution portion of a distribution – is used to knock down the excess contribution.

The accounting for the excess contribution is done in Form 5329 Part IV. Line (18) is the excess contribution for the year before (i.e., line (18)). Line (19) is the amount of unused contributability for the year (e.g., if the individual could have made a contribution of $7K but only contributed $2K, the unused contributability would be $5:). Line (20) is the amount of Roth distribution; the directions says, “Generally, enter the amount from Form 8606, line 19, plus any qualified distributions”, and it says nothing about this amount being only the portion of the distribution that applies to the contribution and not earnings. Line (21) is the sum of lines (19) & (20). Line (22) is the subtraction of line (21) from line (18). Line (23) is the excess contribution for this year, and line (24) is the sum of lines (22) & (23). The accessed tax is based on the amount on line (24). Thus,

(24) = (22) + (23) = (18) – (21) + (23) = (18) – [ (19) + (20) ] + (23)

so if there is no excess contribution for this year (line (23)), and even if there is no unused contributability (line (19)), this simplifies to

(24) = (18) – (20)

and thus all that needs to be done is to take a distribution, and that complete amount would “consume” the excess contribution.

So if I do a $20K Roth contribution in 2020 (presume no contributability), and that grows into $160K – yes, I’m being very optimisitic 🙂 – all I would need to do is wait until 2021 and take a distribution of $20K, and the total excess contribution penalty would be the 6% on the $20K for 2020, but nothing for it in 2021 and subsequent years.

Is this accurate? This seems to good to be true!



  • Basically, Form 5329 is applied as you stated, and taxpayers who generate sizeable gains on a contribution will often opt to pay the 6% excise tax in order to protect the earnings on the contribution. They will then remove the excess amount after the extended due date instead of prior to with earnings. If the excise tax is paid late, the IRS can bill interest for the late payment of the 6%.  However, this scenario typically derives from a contribution within the limit, but then taxpayer’s MAGI turns out to be too high to qualify for that contribution.
  • Since a custodian will only accept a contribution up to the 7000 limit (age 50), you would have to open multiple accounts at different custodians. If you exceed the 7000 limit and the IRS therefore receives Form 5498 showing 20k of contributions from 3 custodians, they may consider this a frivolous tax scheme. 
  • And of course, if gains to do not appear for years, you will owe the excise tax every year until your withdraw the excess. Absorption of the excess by application to a later year isn’t possible without earned income in those years, so you would be limited to distributions to eliminate the excess. There is no statute of limitations for excess contributions.

I have all the accounts with the same custodian.  I have read nothing in the instructions that say that contributing to more than one IRA would be “frivolous”.  —  Would a $200K contribution be considered “frivolous”?  —  https://www.financial-planning.com/news/a-tax-nightmare-excess-ira-contributions

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It seems that a necessary part of a Step Transaction is that a commitment to do a subsequent action be made at the time a prior step is made.  —  “In applying the binding commitment test, the courts have traditionally looked to see whether a taxpayer has made a commitment to complete a later step in an overall transaction at the time a prior step is made.” —  https://irahelp.com/slottreport/backdoor-roth-conversion

  • You didn’t like the responses you received on the White Coat Investor forum so you are trying somewhere else to get your fix.
  • You do know that Alan is one of the foremost knowledgeable individuals there is on IRAs.
  • If these multiple IRA accounts are at the same custodian. They are required by IRS regulations to limit contributions across all accounts to the IRA contribution limit.
  • It is pretty obvious that you will do what you will do. You are under no obligation to follow sound well informed advice.

Well, my custodian has allowed me to do so.  I’m going to limit a yearly contribution to only $14K, that way I could plausibly say that I had anticipated getting married and thus could do the $14K.  Yes, I know that I would have to have put them into separate accounts, but I would just plead ignorance on that.  I have seen nothing that says that the IRS is penalizing folks for doing this other than the stated 6% excise tax.

  • IRAs are Individual Retirement accounts. A married individual and their spouse can each contribute up the IRA contribution limit, but only to their own account.
  • If your custodian allows you to contribute > the IRA contribution limit no matter how many accounts you have. They are in violation of IRS regulations.

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