Tax Triggered on 401k In-Plan Roth Conversion?
FACTS:
Client age 60
401k after-tax contribution balance $45,000
401k earnings on after-tax contributions $15,000
401k Total Value $1,000,000
401k plan allows automatic daily in-plan Roth conversions
401k plans allows rollover of existing after-tax contribution balance to outside Roth IRA, and allows the rollover of the earnings on the after-tax contributions to an outside Traditional IRA
STRATEGY:
Client intends to elect automatic daily in-plan Roth conversion for all future after-tax contributions.
Before client makes this election, they will rollover their existing after-tax contribution balance to an outside Roth IRA and the earnings on the after-tax contributions to an outside Traditional IRA.
With this process, client expects minimal or no income tax triggered on future in-plan Roth conversions since there will be little or no opportunity to generate earnings because of the automatic daily processing.
QUESTION:
Now assume
1. Client does not rollover existing after-tax contributions to Roth IRA and earnings on after-tax contributions to Traditional IRA
2. Client elects automatic daily in-plan Roth conversion for all future after-tax contributions (not existing balances)
In this scenario, given the 45k of after-tax contributions and 15k of earnings on the after-tax contributions residing in the plan, will any tax be triggered on future automatic daily in-plan Roth conversions related to the 15k of earnings?
Thank you.
Permalink Submitted by Alan - IRA critic on Fri, 2022-01-28 22:29
Yes, there will be tax due because any distribution from the after tax sub account including IRRs must include a pro rata share of after tax contributions and earnings in the sub account. That would result in roughly 25% of each IRR being taxable. That said, rolling the earnings to a TIRA now would disturb back door Roth conversions if client needs to use the back door for as long as it still is a legal option.