Excess Roth IRA contributions in “closed years” subject to 6% excise?

I came across this blog and have found it extremely helpful with this general topic. A lot of good posts. My question is related to the 6-year SOL under 6501(l)(4) and the 6% excise tax under 4973(f). So I have someone who made excess Roth IRA contributions say over the last 20 years that we are looking to proactively fix. So under the 6-year SOL statute most of those years are closed. But for the years that are open, query if the “excess contributions” that include prior year excess contributions include those made in closed years. Or said differently, do those “excess contributions” made in now closed years have to be withdrawn to avoid the 6% excise tax. My take at the moment is that the SOL simply means that the closed tax years can’t be assessed. It doesn’t mean that in an open year where 4973(f) is being assessed that “excess contributions” as that term is defined but made in now SOL closed years can be excluded. It seems like the IRS needs to clarify this, if for no other reason than address the Form 5329 instructions for Part IV, line 18. In other words, if the first Form 5329 we file to fix the problem just goes back 6 years thanks to the new SOL rule, there would not be any ” total excess contributions” reported on a prior year Form 5329 to roll forward since prior year forms would not be required as those years are now closed. [I spoke with the IRS general tax law area this was the first they heard of this question/issue. They wrote it up for their subject matter expert and said to expect an answer in about 30 days.]



  • The IRS is going to have to clarify whether any portions of Secure 2.0 Sec 313 are retroactive to pre Secure 1040 filings or to a 1040 X filed with or without a 5329 for that year. The general lack of past IRS enforcement of Sec 4973 will not make it easier to transition to the new SOL of 6 years and how it relates to a 5329 SOL of 3 years. 
  • Any 5329 filed that ignores the prior year accumulations of excess carried into the new 5329 year is incorrect, which makes it difficult to step into a 20 year excess situation later in that period and file 5329 forms that do not include prior year excess amounts. I doubt that failure to include the correct backlog of excess contributions on a later 5329 would initiate the SOL for any year other than the single year the 5329 is filed for, and any distribution taken would be applied to that particular year. In the situation you have, I have seen it recommended that the taxpayer take a lump sum distribution, but not file a 5329. That would reduce the accumulation of excise taxes should they be levied by the IRS at some future point.
  • A 20 year accumulation illustrates the total systems inadequacy at the IRS that such that not even one year’s excess contribution was flagged. The IRS has depended entirely on tax prep software to expose excess contributions, but Roth contributions are not entered into the program and therefore the program does not flag the excess contribution.
  • Even when the IRS finally publishes proposed Regs for this and other sections of Secure 2.0, they are not likely to address all the applicable questions. 

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