Using NUA for RMD

I’m a 74-year-old (October) recently displaced employee (June) and am currently receiving severance pay, due to end in June 2025.  The separation from service triggered the requirement to start receiving RMDs from my 401k, either one RMD this year and one next year, or delay until next year (since it’s my first) and receive two RMDs, with each RMD being roughly $75,000.  With the single RMD and the severance pay, my income will be effectively double through 2025 when the severance ends.  I’m trying to understand if using NUA to satisfy my RMD is a beneficial strategy for me.  I’d appreciate any guidance.  The current value of my employer stock is $207,687, cost basis $159,365, and net unrealized appreciation $48,322.  Does it make sense to do a partial NUA transaction in the amount of my RMD this year, since I’ll be paying ordinary taxes on that amount anyway?  I would lose the opportunity to take the remainder of the NUA since it has to be done in the same year, but if I delay until next year, the extra $150,000 would be a much bigger tax hit than the extra $75,000.  Also, do I understand correctly that I would pay ordinary taxes on the cost basis of the stock and not on the RMD amount which is based on the current value?  If so, doesn’t that mean the amount I would pay in taxes would actually be less than what I would pay if just taking the RMD and not using the NUA strategy?



I appreciate your advice, Alan.  It’s becoming clearer.  😊

If my goal is to reduce the taxes on my RMDs over the 2024-25 timeframe, it sounds like the option that would produce the most overall tax savings is to use NUA in 2025 for my first and second RMDs.  I am not tied to the shares, and as you’ve said they have not performed well, so I would probably want to sell any amount over what is needed for the RMDs, which would also make the LSD simpler, as you mentioned.  Do you agree with this approach for my stated goal?

My plan uses average cost basis for NUA shares, unfortunately.  The plan administrator is Empower, so I’m hopeful they can handle this complex scenario.

I do have a Roth IRA, but I don’t know if my plan allows direct rollover of the $7800 after tax amount, but I can find out.  I might be just as well off using the $7800 to further reduce the taxes on the 2-year RMD.

I don’t know why it’s throwing my reply in another column, although I did notice the same behavior on another post I read.  At any rate, I think you may have misinterpreted or not seen my intention, which is to do the LSD and  NUA next year (2025) to maximize the tax savings on the first and second RMDs.  If you see a problem with this, let me know.  Thanks for the tip on the dividends.   I very much appreciate your advice and suggestions.  It is taking me down a totally different plan than I was thinking of!

And I think I know what’s going on with the formatting.  If you click on “Reply,” the verbiage continues at the bottom.  If you type in the “Add Comment” box, the verbiage goes in the right panel.

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