Regardless of the topic, we could all use an occasional refresher. Retirement account rules are incredibly complicated, and we all have our blind spots. Even seasoned financial advisors with extensive client lists can overlook certain details. I had a conversation recently with a respected professional who was operating on a misconception regarding the still-working exception. Fortunately, we were able to identify the oversight and make the necessary corrections. But the conversation confirmed, once again, that understanding the rules is paramount to success.
Thank you for all you do to educate the public. I’m hoping you guys can settle a debate that’s been going on with a few financial advisors and CPAs regarding the 5-year rule for Roth IRA conversions. I was under the impression that a non-taxable conversion can be withdrawn at any time, even within 5 years of the "backdoor" contribution/conversion, without a 10% penalty.
There are two ways to move money from one IRA to another: a direct transfer or a 60-day rollover. With direct transfers, the funds are sent directly from one custodian to another. The IRA owner has no ability to use the dollars while they are in transit, and the transaction does not create any tax reporting. A direct transfer can be processed electronically, or a check can be sent.
Roth IRAs follow strict distribution ordering rules. Contributions come out first, then converted dollars, and then earnings. It does not matter how many Roth IRAs a person has, or if the accounts are held at multiple custodians. The IRS doesn’t care. All the IRS sees is one big Roth IRA bucket, and within that consolidated Roth IRA bucket, there are only three types of dollars: contributions, conversion, and earnings. Any distribution from any Roth IRA follows the ordering rules – contributions first, converted dollars second, earnings last.
QUESTION:
My wife and I created a Roth IRA when our two children were young to pay for their college education. Our daughter is finishing her second year of school, and our son will be entering college this fall. We have withdrawn $30,000 so far from our contributions to pay her expenses. The current value of the Roth IRA is over $150,000.
When a person under the age of 59½ needs access to his IRA dollars, there is a 10% early withdrawal penalty applied to any distribution, unless an exception applies. One of the many 10% penalty exceptions is a 72(t) “series of substantially equal periodic payments.” Due to the possibility of errors over the required duration of such distribution schedules, it is our opinion that establishing a 72(t) should be the last resort.
Question:
Are rollovers done by a spouse beneficiary subject to the once-per-year IRA rollover rule? The IRA funds were never distributed to me. They were directly transferred from my deceased husband’s IRA to my own IRA. Everything was done electronically at the same firm. I’m being told that the second transfer is taxable
The recent market ride has been nuts. It is certainly no fun for anyone who owns stock or stock funds. Many of us are experiencing the same sensation in our gut as when a roller coaster click, click, clicks to its apex and then plummets over the edge. (That’s why I don’t ride roller coasters anymore.) Wild swings in the market result in sleepless nights for many. But for those with a long-term view, there is a potential silver lining in this storm cloud.
QUESTION:
A 401(k) plan participant over age 73 wants to roll over his account to a new IRA. I understand that he must take a required minimum distribution (RMD) before the rollover. Is an additional RMD required in the same year from the IRA?
As a follow up to the March 26 Slott Report entry that included a full list of the 10% early withdrawal penalty exceptions (“10% Penalty Exceptions: IRAs and Plans”), here we get a little deeper into the weeds on some of the nuances of certain exceptions. As mentioned in the March 26 article, some exceptions apply to plans only, some to IRAs only, and some to both.
